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Deal falls short of GOP cut pledge; 'As good as we could get,' Boehner says
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/155031-deal-falls-...
"The bipartisan deal struck late Friday falls short of the House Republican campaign pledge to cut $100 billion in fiscal 2011 spending.
The pact cuts $78.5 billion when compared to President Obama's fiscal 2011 budget request, which was never enacted.
Comparatively, the accord cuts $39 billion in actual spending, which is $22 billion less than bill the House passed in February.
In a brief interview, Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) told The Hill the agreement was "as good a deal as we could get."
All I can say is good luck in 2012 John--you and your wishy washy Republi cant's better be able to get reelected without us conservatives. The way I see it: It's official you Liberal country club Republicans are part of the problem. You want to make excuses and pat yourself on the back while all you've done is give Obama and Reid and Pelosi political cover to continue the lurch leftward? Let me put it simply: These cuts are nothing--what they amount to is a couple hundredths of a percent of the total budget and you got "as good a deal as we could get" and you want to brag about it? You that stupid John? What am I saying, obviously you are.
We Conservatives who put you in office--yes we Conservatives put you in that seat not the Independents, not the Libs and certainly not the public sector unions--to speak for us while we've been maligned and insulted by the likes of Schummer, Reid, Pelosi and the rest of them? and you got "as good a deal as we could get." The worst part in this sorry pathetic act of political theater? Letting those liberal hacks use our brave men and women in uniform as a bargaining chip while you cowering and genuflected as you got "as good a deal as we could get." Good luck John you and the rest of your boys in leadership are officially the right wing of the Democratic Party and part of the problem.
Now that I've aired my displeasure which I know most of you share. What are we going to do about it? At this point I'm open to suggestions how to deal with this mess and obvious error in our collective judgment.
I'm thinking Bachmann for President and Scott Walker for VP would be a good start. These two seem to be the most forthright and actually do what they say they are going to do. Maybe supporting and voting for only the House candidates who would vote to elect Ron Paul as Speaker and only Senators who would pledge support for DeMint to lead in the Senate. It obvious the current GOP leadership doesn't have the stomach to do what we put them there to do, so all the old bulls have to be either put out to pasture or relegated to day to day roles not Leadership roles as obviously they don't know the meaning of the word.
Like I said at this point I'm open to ideas. Unless something drastic happens in the next few hours I can honestly say I believe and would argue the Republican experiment of Nov. 2010 has failed miserably--at least the leadership has.
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Permalink Reply by John Anson on -
As witnessed here, you can have the mightiest army in the world, but ineffective leadership will always negate their strength and lead to defeat. What Boehner meant by "as good a deal as we could get" was that he got enough cuts from Dems to "look like he was really trying," but backed off on the more important cuts so as not to alienate his Dem and RINO pals. He's carrying $10,000 cash in his pocket, and gives a nickel to us "panhandling Conservatives" so he can pat himself on the back and tell his cronies that he did something for the downtrodden. Meanwhile, he's treating them to dinner and drinks on the money he didn't give to the panhandlers. If the bar tab gets too high, he'll have his pals put it on the company credit card. In other words, it's just business as usual in Washington, DC. If he even hints that this was a conservative victory, he should be declared non compos mentis, and removed from office forthwith. RINO is too good a name for him. WIMP seems a better fit!
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Permalink Reply by Bob S USNR on -
In Nov of 2010 I did not vote for "compromise". I voted for CUTS, as in STONE WALL! I did not see it yesterday...
We the people MUST get ALL the career politicians OUT OF OFFICE now!! To me that is about 90+% of those LYING morons!!
We need to advertise, far and wide, the schooling the electeds get teaching them how to LIE TO US ALL!! chucky shumer was recently caught telling about this!! If these electeds LIE to us why is anyone voting for them???
The most egregious lie they use almost every day is "we cut the budget today by..." When they actually RAISED the budget by trillions!! If "We the people" pulled that kind of LYING in a court room we would be doing time for contempt!! Most judges don't like being LIED to! And it would take a LOT smaller lie to get you into a jail cell!!
I listen to conservative and liberal radio talk every day. I feel you have to listen to how BOTH sides "spin" the info or you are just another "useful idiot". Marx was correct there is nothing like a blind follower.
WMAL 630AM 9-12am. Chris Plante was once a liberal blind follower... until he stopped and gave his right to vote serious thought... He hasn't voted dem/liberal since!!
By virtue of this I have caught every dem/liberal "news" outlet lying about one thing or another. Yes, the conservatives spin things a bit too but I have not found the blatant lies on those shows you find, nearly daily, on the liberal shows.
For the libs reading this colbert and stewart are COMEDY shows not news shows.
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Permalink Reply by cesidio on -
Still what's the best way to politically deal with these fools--Boehner and company? I'm open to suggestions. The obvious stuff is a given: only support individual candidates and not the party. Make sure the current leadership is mentioned in the same breath as McCain, Collins, Snowe, Obama, Reid, Pelosi ect...
But what else can we do to make sure they aren't scratching their heads in Nov 2012 asking "what happened?" "after all we did everything the media told us to do." I would ideally like there to be no question as to the message we are sending up to the Nov 2012 election. The nonsense from the left has already started
The media has already started with "how big of a loss" it was for the Libs.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52868.html
These fools don't mention anywhere in the article that the total cut is literally tenths of pennies on the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent. And why would they; they're useless and the Obama administration has to have it propaganda unfeathered.
I'm almost inclined to call into the the Conservative talk shows and email the conservative news programs and make it clear that we as a group are not at all impressed or happy with the current Republican leadership in the House or Senate. I don't know. Like I said at this point I'm open to suggestions. The Dems didn't listen to us two years ago and the GOP isn't listening to us now.
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Permalink Reply by John Anson on
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Cesidio, did you ever see the movie "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington?" The speech of true conservatives gets buried by the mountains of manure spread by the liberals, much like the movie, in which the newspaper printed by the boys gets destroyed by Taylor's media machine. The movie, unfortunately, is but a fantasy, where one honest man wins the battle against the corrupt machine. That will never happen in our government, or even in our country. As we have seen, based on the popularity of some of today's ridiculous TV programs, Americans tune in to hear the worst about people, and most will believe a negative comment before believing a positive one. Why do you think that Dems spend so much of their time espousing what the GOP and Tea Party does wrong, rather than what the Dems have done right (granting the fact that they have done little, if anything, right)? They learned long ago that, while in product advertising, "sex" sells, in politics, "negative" sells, and they have become experts at spreading their vitriol through the leftist media. They then, of course, through the President, no less, condemn Conservatives for saying anything negative about the Liberals.
On the subject of movies, one of the most famous lines of all time, from the movie "Cool Hand Luke," is most appropriate to the Conservatives' dilemma: "What we have here is a failure to communicate!" Until such time as Conservatives can get the word out to enough people, with facts to substantiate the words, Libs are going to continue their borrowing/taxing and spending habits, and will do so until America has become a third-world country. While sites such as this one help in that endeavor, they reach too few to make the difference required. Libs will always take the position that it is easier to get forgiveness than to get permission. They are big on creating chaos (see Wisconsin), and they are always the first in line to take credit for the work of others (see Obama). But, have you ever noticed how often they can't be found when it comes time to take responsibility? Conservatives need to stop preaching to the choir, and start reaching the masses!
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Permalink Reply by John on
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The GOP is the loser. When you are going to cut funding you must be ready to tell the public why and the real effects and address the hysteria ahead of time. i.e. be proactive. All I remember hearing is people were to be denied medical care and suffer! While I know the MSM is part of the Obama cult just like in Nazi Germany the GOP must be smarter or they will lose in 2012. Tonight I learned Obama only needs 37% of the white vote to win reelection. And that 37% represents independents and white women, white men are thrown under the bus just look at the new employment outlook and who gets hired and NOT hired.
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Permalink Reply by cesidio on
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Don't listen to the polls. If the polls were accurate or even within the margin of error Carter would have served two terms, Bush 41 would have also served 2 terms and Bush 43 would have been a one termer. It's a given that the media will be slanted towards the liberals and go out of their way to provide cover and even carry the water. As for whose getting hired; the major new hirer right now is government--that's a much bigger problem than any quota system.
What we need to do is asks questions centered on credibility, character, and consistency when it comes to analyzing candidates, policies, and above all else media coverage. Leave the drones out of your efforts all they are is a waste of time. Focus on like minded individuals who believe in the Constitution and the rule of law. Encourage them to get involved and speak up and above all else vote
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Permalink Reply by DaveG on -
And AM, in case you missed it on your referenced post:
Anthony Weiner is a jerk and a hard-core Democratic attack dog. What you seem to be saying, AM (as usual) is that passion and conviction outweigh any other value systems. This is part of the old "I don't care what you believe, but whatever it is I want to know you believe it."
The problems with this type of thinking is so numerous that one can not even begin to list the pitfalls encountered in it. I have no doubt that Karl Marx, Lenin, Engels, Trotsky, Mao and other communists were certainly passionate and outspoken in defense of their beliefs. That did not make them right.
In a like manner, Weiner is a passionate Progressive -- but he is just as wrong as Obama, Biden, Pelosi, and all the rest of the Social/Communist thugs that have taken over Washington and tried to hi-jack this great nation.
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Permalink Reply by DaveG on
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I am always amazed at the volatile nature of politics .. and the lack of common sense sometimes that many will apply when trying to address such a complex issue as what we have in Washington. This article is a case in point. I don't mean that in a personal way or as an affront to the participants here on TCUnation... but sometimes I think we all need to step back a bit, take a deep breath, and really listen to the hysteria and "all-or-nothing" reasoning that we sometimes throw out there.
If one thought that the elections of 2010 were about totally re-organizing politics and seeing a complete change-over from what we have had in the past then I guess I can see where one might be coming from on their desire to "throw overboard" the entire Republican Party. Oh I totally agree that we have reason to be disappointed in the fact we did not see as drastic a change as we would have liked. But on the other hand, compared to the boll-us-over momentum that had been generated in the past six years of the Dimmer-rats having the control of the House and the Senate, I find the current group of men and women doing their dead-level best up there a refreshing breeze. Gentlemen, remember please in your passionate desire for stopping this insane spending spree and seize of power that we have witnessed for some years now, that IT WILL NOT BE CHANGED OVERNIGHT -- because it cannot be changed so quickly.
The elections of 2010 were a first-round battle of many more to come. The victories we saw in the 2010 elections were a combined effort of the Republicans, the various conservative Independent Voter groups, the uninvolved (often meaning candidate-ignorant, many of which were totally shocked to find out that the American Idol they had witnessed be elected in 2008 was a dangerous appointment that had been made because they had not been involved -- and now some of them had awakened to that fact), and finally an important group of more conservative Democrats that had the gumption to admit their own mistake and vote to begin to try to also halt the runaway spending by the Progressives of their party. THE REALITY IS, THAT ALL OF THOSE GROUPS MENTIONED HAD A PART IN AT LEAST SLOWING THE TRAIN THAT WAS IN RUNAWAY MODE. Did anyone among us think that sending a few freshmen delegates to Washington was going to turn that train completely around ... or even to stop it dead on its tracks.
The thing all of this points out is that we have a great deal of work to still do. And we are not going to accomplish it by constantly lambasting Obama and the opposition (as much as they deserves it), nor are we going to accomplish it by constantly throwing harpoons at the current elected leadership of the Republican Party. That does little to right the course of things. What we can do is to encourage those we know are doing all they can, be involved in electing more conservatives at the local and state levels, and working hard to plan towards a victory in 2012 with a strong President that will represent our conservative core principles. [But even on that point, we need to face the reality that there will not be a candidate that will satisfy everyone's requirements, any more than we can expect for a perfect group of leaders working behind the scenes at the Party level. It may be ideal to desire such, but it is just not going to happen. But shooting all of our dogs to get rid of the fleas is not the answer.
I will say this in defense of John Boehner, and it is just a personal opinion: I will take him over what we have had up there as a speaker of the House ANY DAY over what we have seen for the past 10 years or so - and that includes the time that Republicans have held the house. He is far from perfect, and I know that there are others that perhaps could do better -- but it is a hell of a lot better than what we have had.
Respectfully your TCU admin :-)
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Permalink Reply by Mike Mott on -
Dave,
AND ... listen to the talk in Washington carefully. When one strips away the gobbledygook there is an emerging consensus as to the debt crisis we face. The fight is going to be how to fix it and how far to push the fight.
The BIG FIGHT, the HUGE one, is how much control is government going to exercise over us. Forget this piddling number from the CR. Everyone knows it doesn't matter. I think Boehner did better than he is getting credit for having done here, but it wasn't as much as I wanted. But forget that. It does not matter.
First -- the federal government is broke. America is not. We are still the largest economy in the world by a long shot. America is broke because the political chattering class has made promises that can't be kept. Here is the data simply from the 2010 budget. For every $1 spent by the government $63 cents in taxes was taken in, and 37 cents was borrowed to cover the rest of the spending. Entitlement programs cost us 69 cents of every dollar spent. So EVERYTHING other than entitlements can be cut and we would still borrow 6 cents. Moreover entitlement spending is growing much faster than GDP. Somehow we need to control the cost of entitlement spending AND STOP borrowing money. THIS IS WHAT WE MUST DO.
The problem with growing government further is that it slows economic growth, which will make it hard to dig out of the h***. In fact it is quite likely that further government burden (taxes + regulation + borrowing) will turn America into Europe. THIS IS THE FIGHT WE ARE HAVING. The fact that Boehnor got any cuts at all is a baby step in the right direction.
Watch the changes coming to the tax code. Everyone in Washington knows that the tax base needs to be broadened and I don't know why they don't just say it. THERE IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN THE UPPER INCOME BRACKETS TO CLOSE THIS H***. But there is some hope.
Government burden is roughly $1.5 trillion in money borrowed, $2.5 trillion in taxes, $1.7 trillion in regulatory compliance, and $.4 trillion spent to pay taxes. That is a TOTAL economic burden on this nation of almost $6 trillion dollars. So if the tax code is simplified in a way that broadens the base then most of that .4 trillion could be returned to the economy. From a limited government point of view we want the compliance cost to go to zero and we want to make it ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE to increase taxes. We want taxes to be TRANSPARENT. No more hidden taxes in the price of our goods and services.
We NEED to roll back, way way back, the regulatory burden. This is going to be a very tough fight in the area of health care. Obama and liberals want more government PRICE CONTROL. We want the free market to work. If you believe in limited government we need to make sure that the patient is once again connected with the cost of the services they consume. 3rd party payers does not work. THIS IS PERHAPS THE BIGGEST FIGHT WE FACE AS WE ROLL BACK HEALTH CARE. Obama and liberals want more government bureaucracy to control cost; we want less. Keep your eye on this one.
We NEED to audit the Fed. They've been handing out trillions to God knows where. We have no idea what they've done nor what they've promised with out tax dollars.
The above are the fights that matter. We need to keep our eye on these balls.
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Permalink Reply by Bob S USNR on
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Einstein probably said it best when he said "You cannot fix a problem with the same brain that created it".
I think 90%+ of the electeds created the problem we have in their apparently complete, inability to FIX the federal spending spree of the federal gov't. I really think they don't want to fix it!! I would like to throw them all out of office without any retirement/pension whatsoever. Seems to me all of them are complicite in the intentional collapsing of our country.
No small issue with me is that when the electeds lose an election they will still get paid for the rest of their lives... WHY?!?
Bernie Madoff lied to his investors... just not nearly as severely as the electeds of the USA are lying to all American citizens every day. Madoff harmed a few wealthy citizens. The electeds of the USA are DESTROYING the entire country, intentionally, and they are still in office... not in jail??? They get to keep their retirement/pensions??? If it were up to me they would be in the cells next to Madoff!!
The electeds of the USA make Madoff look like a saint!!!
chucky shumer was recently heard saying there is an office that coaches the elected officials, and him, in how to lie to the citizens of the USA!!!
I have to quit now I need to go cool off.
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Permalink Reply by DaveG on
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You are exactly right Mike. People so often get caught up in the details of the peripherals and miss the main points altogether. It goes right along with what I was trying to get at, too. We have to get folks to focusing on the cause of the problems we face, and not just criticizing the people in the spotlight. The problems we face as a nation are too serious to be playing the blame-game instead of working on the solutions.
An excellent analysis on the situation we are in from a fiscal standpoint. We have borrowed ourselves into bankruptcy. We also spend far too much of our wealth as a nation on Government Social Programs that give nothing back to the "whole." We must stop excessive spending, and we are going to have to reorganize our fiscal policies to not only stop spending more than we are taking in but to also see growth in the economy in order to expand the revenue base for everything. As a nation, we are going to have to re-adjust our expectations of what Government is to be doing. Government spending, as we have seen, is not the solution to economic growth. Rather, (from an economic standpoint) the government needs to be a tool we use to promote a climate in which people can create wealth for themselves. The people must be willing to support such a government by taxation within reason; but are sick and tired of working only to support a government that is no longer serving them.
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