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DO THE REPUBLICANS NEED THE INDEPENDENTS?
Well, here is a new thought.
I wonder if any of you were Independents before becoming Republicans. If so, you know what changed your mind: If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.
I have to assume that the liberal leaning Independents went to the Democratic party for the same reason. However, more than 40% of the electorate is Independent and, according to Rasmussen Polls, the numbers are rising. This, added to the fact that Republicans hover around 3o% as compared to a larger, around 40% of Democrats, should we discard these numbers and merrily dismiss our Independent friends? The polls show that both Democrat and Independent voters are less and less enthralled with the present state of affairs in Washington.
Since our nation's Constitutional existence is at stake, wouldn't it make sense to forge alliances that could secure a victory in the midterm elections and onwards to 2012?
Should we consider welcoming the disaffected conservative Independents? If you are among those of us who agree with the idea of uniting to form a conservative, Constitutional consensus and Alliance to defeat Obama in 2010 and 2012, please come join in and help us grow our new group
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I wonder if any of you were Independents before becoming Republicans. If so, you know what changed your mind: If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.
I have to assume that the liberal leaning Independents went to the Democratic party for the same reason. However, more than 40% of the electorate is Independent and, according to Rasmussen Polls, the numbers are rising. This, added to the fact that Republicans hover around 3o% as compared to a larger, around 40% of Democrats, should we discard these numbers and merrily dismiss our Independent friends? The polls show that both Democrat and Independent voters are less and less enthralled with the present state of affairs in Washington.
Since our nation's Constitutional existence is at stake, wouldn't it make sense to forge alliances that could secure a victory in the midterm elections and onwards to 2012?
Should we consider welcoming the disaffected conservative Independents? If you are among those of us who agree with the idea of uniting to form a conservative, Constitutional consensus and Alliance to defeat Obama in 2010 and 2012, please come join in and help us grow our new group
Conservative Report Card
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Permalink Reply by Theodore D. (Ted) Anthony on -
The Republicans are having their own problems. They are split between liberals (Rockafeller) and conservitives (Reagan). There are enough liberals that we have a hard time getting a conservitive through a primary. That is how we wound up with John McCain as the nominee in the last election.
There are also enough lberals in positions of power that they can stimee the conservitive agenda. For instance, Michael Steel was named the Republican National Committee chairman. He is a conservative but there were enough liberals in a position to strip him of his power to write checks.
When Ronald Reagan won he had Democrats vote for him as well as as Independence. Likewise, President Obama had a lot of Republicans vote for him in this last election. What we need is to get to get behind like minded people who want to govern by the constitution instead of running roughshod over it. We need Democrats, Republicans and Independents who love our country and our constitution to to get involved on the local level and start support men and women who want to do the right thing.
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Permalink Reply by Bruce B. on -
I'm a registered independent, and always have been. But, I am contemplating going down to city hall and changing my status to Republican, because they represent my beliefs more. I know there are independents out there who lean conservative, even here in "The banana republic of Massachusetts".
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Permalink Reply by Jim Robinson on -
That is your decision to make for yourself, Bruce - and I fully support it. Were you registered with one of the Independent parties, or only listed as generic "Independent" on your voter registration card? When I look at the party platforms for the Republican Party and the Constitution Party, for example, hands down do I think the Constitution Party has a much better platform than the RNC - even if the CP isn't yet as large in membership numbers as the RNC.
And the majority of Independent Conservatives usually end up voting Republican (sometimes Democrat) simply because they know their favored Independent candidates don't stand a chance under our current 2-party system. Laura and I are looking for ways to make "alliances" with our good Independents without trying to force them under the Republican bus and banner. Any ideas from you on this?!
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Permalink Reply by Laura Eide on -
I'm glad to see that there is some interest in attracting conservative votes from the ranks of Independent Party patriots! Splitting the GOP would further damage our chances of regaining our conservative seats in Congress and ultimately, the Presidency. In order to win we have a chance through new initiatives right here on this site to formally invite them to stand beside us. This can be done starting now. There is also room for the creation of a brand new web site to initiate an All American Alliance, or Independents for Conservative Values Alliance, in favor of winning back the country. And that should be the MISSION STATEMENT! No more party politics! We will not win back the country without our Independent friends!!!! Thanks friends!!
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Permalink Reply by Jim Robinson on
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Working on that non-partisan idea right now, Laura!
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Permalink Reply by MMS on
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I am a registered Republican and always have been. I have voted for a dumbo-crat before. Like what's her name for governor of Texas.......I will take on one of bo's character defects.......and blame something like old age for not remembering her name! You know the old blame game! LOL
I want to change to an Independent to send a STRONG message to the Republican Party. The Republican Party (not all) have not represented me in a long time. I know all what they say but when they are elected.....they change. Perry has given some good speeches, like at the July 4th San Antonio Tea Party. After he had his picture taken with me, I told him to WALK the TALK. That is just it......the talk and their walk don't match up. I know conservatives get a bad rap but why try to "appease" the other side & the lame stream media. Why can't they appease the ones who got them elected. They need to stand united against healthcare, cap and tax, and any other crazy way the left/elitist/statist want to tax and enslave us. That is what is bothering me too. We say "they" work for us, but to me it is starting to look the other way around. When we marched in DC 9/12, we kept saying "Can you hear us now?". They could and did hear us but they are choosing to not listen. Is that kind of behavior tolerated by any employers that any of you know or have had?
This has been a heart troubling problem for me. I am (maybe too much) conservative, pro Constitution, pro capitalism, pro life, pro gun rights (you know, your average Right Wing Extremist). Yet, I don't feel I have a party. I voted for the lessor of two evils (McCain) but only because of Palin. I almost did not vote for the first time since becoming of age to vote. That to me is SAD.
I love my country so much. I am for the first time in my life, not proud of the POTUS, and that breaks my heart. I am startiing to think I am ANTI-GOVERNMENT.
I LOVE LIFE, am not a fatalist or have a defeatist mentality.....but am almost ready for GOD TO COME GET US. If this offends any agnostic/atheist for me saying this.... 2 $UCKING BAD!!
I hope this makes sense and was not a waste of time for those who chose to read my reply.
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Permalink Reply by Jason Fleshman on -
This discussion poses a question in my mind. Out of the 40% of the Independents, what percentage belong to the Libertarian and Constitution Parties? In my opinion, the Republican Party needs to change their platform and embrace some the important parts of that are on these parties platforms. The single most issue that separates these parties deal with moral issues. In my modest opinion, I think that the Republican Party can eliminate much of divisions that exist by taking a stance that the federal governement should not take a role in deciding moral issues and leaving it up to individuals or states to decide, adhering to the Constitution to the letter as interpretted by the Founding Fathers, and eliminating government intervention on states and the private sector. This must be done beyond lip service and their actions must back up their words. I think people are getting wise to the little games these politicians play and attention will be paid to voting records rather than lip service during this next election.
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Permalink Reply by Jim Robinson on
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That's one of my nagging points, Jason. If the RNC would institute some critically needed Conservative reforms (real action, not mere lip service) and return to its Conservative roots, the Republican Party could again be the home party of Conservatism. As it stands now, Conservatism transcends all political parties and social constructs. Most Independents aren't looking for more lip service from the RNC - they are looking for substantive proactive action. If the RNC wants to regain the Independent vote, before the Democrats do, they are going to have to form some critically needed "alliances" with their Independent conservative brethren -- no if's, and's, or but's about it!
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Permalink Reply by Laura Eide on
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GO JIM!!!! :-)
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Permalink Reply by Laura Eide on
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I agree wholeheartedly Jason! Everything you say is exactly what we need to concentrate on. The principles and laws of the Constitution are, and always should be our only guidelines. We will lose everything if we don't unite behind this one common cause. I welcome all who will fight for that!!!! Thanks for your insight!
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Permalink Reply by DaveG on -
"I think that the Republican Party can eliminate much of divisions that exist by taking a stance that the federal governement should not take a role in deciding moral issues and leaving it up to individuals or states to decide..." ~Jason
But Jason, the strength of the GOP party is that it has taken a stand on moral issues such as abortion, gay marriage, and other sanctity-of-life issues. While that stand may not appeal to some, at the same time if those platforms were removed you would see many conservative Christians flush from the GOP like a covey of quail. That would mean their migration to other conservative parties - or the formation of new ones -- and most likely would entrench the control of government into the hands of the socialist/liberal elements for many elections to come. It does no good to attempt to incorporate members from one segment of the population, if in doing so a party chases off an even larger segment.
Other than "loosing the moral stands" I certainly agree with much of what you say, Jason. Keep up the good work.
But that is just my humble opinion ...
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Permalink Reply by Jason Fleshman on
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I know the GOP has taken these stands, but there are divisions in the party because of it and is a great division in the nation as well. I think this issue goes along with the party platform of having a limited, less intrusive government. The federal government has only one obligation...that is operate within the Constitution. The Constitution does not empower the federal government set guidelines on moral ground....leave that up to the state and local levels that is what the 10th Amendment is all about. The platform should be not to take a stand on issues that the Constitution does not empower the federal government to administer. I don't think that Christians would jump ship on this stand and the party would get many more supporters with that position within the platform. It is my thought that the party needs to embrace Constitution, take the position that the only interpretation is how the Founding Fathers interpreted it through words and precident, and become the party that is the protector of Constitutional rights. In my view, Republicans would win the elections by a landslide.
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