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Is waterboarding torture?
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Permalink Reply by Conrad Vincent on -
Conrad Vincent said:Conrad Vincent said:As I read these replys, I am saddened by some, because maybe I haven't been as grateful as I should have been, for our " Constitution" and our Founding Fathers. I think we have been blessed from above and we've been too busy sometimes to realize it. We'll it is getting me now because we may be losing it now. I am older than many of you, but I have sons and daughters, and grandchildren. What will be left in four or eight years, what will it be like for them? Maybe you will have to read about what it used to be. I am not sure people understand what this "Lunatic" we have in office is capable of. He has the ability of Jim Jones on a monumental scale. I hope I am wrong, but since the topic is about torture, I will address it waterboarding......bah. In a way its nice to think we are so soft to think this torture. I thought torture is running out of ice cream..... we are soft folks, but I feel sure our views will change, because hard may be coming.
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Permalink Reply by Conrad Vincent on
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Conrad Vincent said:Conrad Vincent said:Conrad Vincent said:As I read these replys, I am saddened by some, because maybe I haven't been as grateful as I should have been, for our " Constitution" and our Founding Fathers. I think we have been blessed from above and we've been too busy sometimes to realize it. We'll it is getting me now because we may be losing it now. I am older than many of you, but I have sons and daughters, and grandchildren. What will be left in four or eight years, what will it be like for them? Maybe you will have to read about what it used to be. I am not sure people understand what this "Lunatic" we have in office is capable of. He has the ability of Jim Jones on a monumental scale. I hope I am wrong, but since the topic is about torture, I will address it waterboarding......bah. In a way its nice to think we are so soft to think this torture. I thought torture is running out of ice cream..... we are soft folks, but I feel sure our views will change, because hard may be coming.
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Permalink Reply by Julie Chalmers on
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No, waterboarding is NOT torture. The fact that this has even become an issue in Washington is ridiculous!
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Permalink Reply by Shirley Loefke on -
Julie Chalmers, you have said it so perfectly. I too am a grandmother and I am worried what kind of life they will have. God help us all with this socialist we call President heading our Country. I refuse to call him "My president. I will call him 666.
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Permalink Reply by Jaro on
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Seems to me that we need to put this in perspective. If your son was in the hands of the enemy, would you rather have him waterboarded, or tortured like Saddam or Al Qaeda torture people?
I think the two don't even compare. Waterboarding is a very civilized form of persuation, while regular torture is a SAVAGE form of inducing pain. Only CRAZY people would call both the same word, torture.
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Permalink Reply by Lisa on
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No, I feel that waterboarding is not torture. However abortions I feel is. Especially late term.
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Permalink Reply by Greg Brown on -
Natural Law (Conservative ideology) and Torcher- Thats like asking Jesus if he supports torcher.
Conflicting to say the lest.
Is wasterboarding torcher? I don't think so. Should it be used? No.
Before you write of my opinion as laking backbone and offering no alternative please hear me out.
I served 5 years in the Marine Corps 1988-1993 as an 0861 (Forward Observer). I have hunted down communist in the Philippines and was in Desert Storm with Task Force Grizzly. I have been in law enforcement from 1995 to the present. To say I have now back bone would be slanderous.
I will not be silent, I will not back down, I will defend the constitution and this nation. Our founding Fathers would be applaud with what we find acceptable to include torcher.
During WWII, captured Germans and Japanese were teated with dignity, and in fact much attention was focused on indoctrination of American values towards the POW's. Why, because leaders with forethought knew that some day the war would end and the POW's would speak of good will the Americans have towards there fellow human being. Did it work. Indisputably many of the POW's became stanch supporters of American policies and ideals. Will it work on Muslims? We may never know. The detention camps in Iraq have adapted a reintegration policy and it seems to be working. Most do not re-join the insurgency.
Personally I have never supported the use of torcher. The ROE on captured enemies combatants has fueled more resentment and active recruiting for terrorist then all the Muslim hardliners combined.
We should be asking Obama why he supports torcher. Did he not run that he would end torcher during the campaign? Obama is just shipping captured enemy combatants to countries who allow torcher. Obama is nothing more the another Bush. Both are puppets for WallStreet and the Federal Reserve Bank cartel. That is what we need to drive home to the liberals.
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Permalink Reply by Daniel Shafner on -
So what if it is. The question is whether or not it was effective. It was. Back to the red herring of whether it's torture, the method of interrogation placed no one's life in danger. I consider this method of interrogation a valuable research tool. a valuable tool for intel. It works. It's too bad that over the years that no one on the correct side of the issue was able to create a good enough sound bite for the America-hating media. Instead, we let John McCain steal valuable thunder with his sanctimony. He may have been a victim/POW but that doesn't mean that he knows squat about anything even though he says he does. Uggh!
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Permalink Reply by Shannon Foos on -
I agree with Mike and James completely, well said!
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Permalink Reply by Jesse Morris on -
Is waterboarding torture?
Yes. It is. It causes our enemies to believe that they will die.
Is it acceptable?
Yes. It is. It causes no long-lasting physical harm and tons of psychological damage.
Hey - no one said they had to be sane afterward, only cooperative, which means that if they are our enemies withholding vital information for the safety of any and all citizens, they will become cooperative very quickly if they think they're going to die.
So should we continue to do this?
Yes - even with releasing the memos. Because nothing says or demonstrates "effective" like inviting our enemies to live the experience for themselves.
I myself would rather NOT torture our enemies - but if it saves the life of one person, then dumping them in water in such a way that they will panic is fine by me.
Hey, it could be worse. WE could be worse. Ask Hitler, or what few survivors there were at the Auschwitz concentration camp. I'm sure they would've been tickled pink to have a bath, compared to the absolute utter hells those madmen put them through.
Anyway, that's my two cents. For those who question the ideas and ideals of being right, your mileage may vary. Mine doesn't.
I'm betting almost everyone here agrees with or thinks like me on this to some degree or another.
Takers?
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Permalink Reply by Jerry on -
After watching 'Flags of Our Fathers' and seeing what those Japanese soldiers did to Ron "Iggy" Ignatowski - cutting off fingernails and ears, putting out eyes, breaking his arms, cutting off his genitals and stuffing them into his mouth, and ultimately bashing in the back of his skull ... I have a hard time mustering a lot of sympathy for someone who's getting dunked under water.
Look, I understand waterboarding isn't exactly a carnival dunk tank, but the fact is that anyone who undergoes this technique could be set free to return to their family and lead a normal life. Can the Muslim extremists say that about their captives?
The bottom line is whether it's effective. If it is, then we owe it to the American people to do all we can to elicit accurate information to save American lives. Is waterboarding torture? If it saves American lives, why does it matter?
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