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Permalink Reply by jim harris on July 6, 2009 at 10:51pm

Jim, we have given them all we can!we cant make a horse drink water, even if it comes from the fountin of life
it is now up to them to pray and drink. we have testified as the lord asks us to do. did he really say archangle
michael is adam wow? I need to leave this after that one

Jim Robinson said:

Edmund -- you just lost your bluff, and your credibility, again - and so did you Christina! By your own words, not mine, have you rejected the authority and infallibility of God's Holy Bible, the deity of Jesus Christ, and the Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. True Christians would not dare do this.

As a Bible scholar, I must read and study the writings of many men and critics to discern Truth from Error (as the Scriptures command all Christians to do). What I gave you earlier was only a very small portion of the Scriptures that openly proved you, Christina, and Jason wrong about your unbiblical and unchristian beliefs against the Bible, Jesus Christ, and the Trinity -- whether or not you choose to reject them is your choice, but I did give you God's Word on the matter and not mine. So, contrary to Christina's absurd and ridiculous claims, we are not all "true Christians here." You are deceiving yourselves and deceiving others -- and here I will stand on the authority of the Holy Scriptures, as is my duty and obligation as a true Christian and Bible teacher.

In the absolute strongest of terms does the Bible repeatedly command God's People to reject false doctrine and teachers and to only accept the sound doctrine of true teachers of God's Word. This is why the Bible commands God's People to study the Scriptures to show themselves approved unto God and to reject all false doctrines, teachers, and prophets. To say that sound doctrine is not the mark of God's People is to call God, not me, a liar.

Folks, by their own words and admissions have Edmund, Jason, and Christina clearly proven themselves to be false Christians and false disciples promoting false doctrine with their repeated attacks against the Bible, sound doctrine, the deity of Jesus Christ, and the truth of the Blessed Trinity - which are foundational beliefs for all true Christians. As a Bible teacher, I have calmly and clearly pointed out to you that their views are not the views of faithful, dedicated, and true disciples of Jesus Christ -- so please do not swallow their bait, kool-aid, or attacks against those of us that are making a stand for the Truth of God's Word. Let reason, common sense, and the Bible itself prevail. After all, why would any true Christian ever suggest that the Bible is corrupt and written by men and not God, Jesus Christ is not the Son of God, the Trinity is a some kind of hoax or lie, and that sound doctrine is not really that important to the Christian walk and faith ???!!! I'm out of here and back to the Conservative Christians group here on TCU

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2 Timothy 4: 2-4 - "Preach the Word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap unto themselves teachers having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the Truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

2 Timothy 2:15-16 - "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness."

2 Timothey 3:1-9 - "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the Truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the Truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was."

2 Timothy 3:12,13 - "Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived."

John 4:23,24 - "But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship Him. God is a spirit: and they who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth."

1 Timothy 4:1 - "Now the Spirit speaks expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron. . . "

2 John 7-11 - "For many deceivers are entered into the world who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh (a denial of the Incarnation). This is a deceiver and an Antichrist."

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Permalink Reply by Jason Cannon on July 7, 2009 at 2:29pm

God is our heavenly father. He is the father of Jesus and of Lucifer. Lucifer used to be righteous but fell from god. How is that blasphemy?

You claim 'sound doctrine' and yet every scripture you reference in support of your 'sound doctrine' can be used to back up other doctrines as well. Not to mention that these doctrines were created by a bunch of men almost 280 years after the death of Christ. Again, when Jesus said he and his father were one he did not literally mean one. He meant one is purpose. He also says that when members of his church are righteous that they become one. I am obviously not the same person as you or anyone else on the planet for that matter. They mean one is purpose and in goal. The trinity is not a 'sound doctrine' as you say but is in fact a very flawed doctrine created by man, not by god.

You say that the bible is unchanged by man, and yet you also say that it was condensed and made easier to understand. Make up your mind, is it unchanged or was it made easier to understand. And by making it easier to understand do you not think that maybe parts got changed/left out? things lose meaning and get lost in translation when you do things like that.

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Permalink Reply by Hans Wilhelm on July 7, 2009 at 4:40pm

The bottom line is that true christians will not put their faith into false idols and yes i do believe that obama is a false prophet that intends to lead us astray and lead us away from our christian beliefs. I also think that he is one of satan's errand runners that was put here for a purpose.

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Permalink Reply by jim harris on July 7, 2009 at 5:42pm

their is on paper word from as far back as 70ad and I'm sure someone may has found some from maybe earlier! the constitution is only 233 and all accounts are right but even if it was 280 years you think that knowledge
was lost. and its raining out side thats the truth! do I have to tell you what kind of clouds are in the air
do I have to tell you the wind direction or show you I'm wet for you to get it, none of the other changes the fact that it is raining !!!! I condenced it for you and now you have the truth without having to have a degree
to understand!and with that I no longer wish to be one to try and help you see what is in front of you if you only would have a veiw that god will never let a man or any thing you can think of hurt or hinder him or his word!!!!!!!
Jason Cannon said:

God is our heavenly father. He is the father of Jesus and of Lucifer. Lucifer used to be righteous but fell from god. How is that blasphemy?

You claim 'sound doctrine' and yet every scripture you reference in support of your 'sound doctrine' can be used to back up other doctrines as well. Not to mention that these doctrines were created by a bunch of men almost 280 years after the death of Christ. Again, when Jesus said he and his father were one he did not literally mean one. He meant one is purpose. He also says that when members of his church are righteous that they become one. I am obviously not the same person as you or anyone else on the planet for that matter. They mean one is purpose and in goal. The trinity is not a 'sound doctrine' as you say but is in fact a very flawed doctrine created by man, not by god.

You say that the bible is unchanged by man, and yet you also say that it was condensed and made easier to understand. Make up your mind, is it unchanged or was it made easier to understand. And by making it easier to understand do you not think that maybe parts got changed/left out? things lose meaning and get lost in translation when you do things like that.

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Permalink Reply by Hans Wilhelm on July 7, 2009 at 7:33pm

I might be outnumbered and outgunned when they come for us christians but i will fight and the only way they are going to get me to succumb to the new world order is when i am dead. You can carve this into stone. People like me do not run!!!!

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Permalink Reply by jim harris on July 7, 2009 at 9:08pm

unless it's running at you !

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Permalink Reply by Hans Wilhelm on July 7, 2009 at 9:24pm

The bottom line is that god gives us the faith to stand up to those who oppose us and he gives us the abilty to remain un-nerved even in dangerous situations. One of the best examples of this is found in military history for instance gen thomas Jackson of the confederate army he was a devout christian that others wondered why he never got shaken up on the battlefield. It was said that even at the battle of bullrun in 1861 he was as calm as if nothing at all was going on.

I am a pretty big amateur military historian of sorts.

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