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Was America attacked on September 11, 2001?
Was America attacked on September 11, 2001?
Gary Hunt
September 11, 2009
All morning long, I have been hearing that we are recognizing "The Day That America Was Attacked".
Have you ever really thought about what the mainstream media has portrayed to us? Was America really attacked? Or, is there another objective that should be apparent to us?
Well, you could say America was attacked when Flight 93 hit the ground near Shanksville, Pennsylvania. However, that was not the intended target. And, due to circumstances, we will probably never know what the intended target was.
We all know that two of the targets were Towers 1 and 2 of the World Trade Center. Probably most of us have some serious objection to the United Nations. We probably also have objection to the WTO (World Trade Organization). In fact, there are many who consider both the United Nations and the World Trade Organizations as enemies to the United States Constitution, and our way of life.
So, what is the World Trade Center? Is it a symbol of the United States of America, or is it something that we should perceive in a light similar to the World Trade Organization, and the United Nations?
How would we react if the target had been the United Nations Building? Would we be as outraged as we appear to be over the World Trade Center? On the other hand, would the more apparent nature of the intentions of the United Nations dissuade us from feeling as badly as we do over the World Trade Center?
Some see the World Trade Center as a symbol of the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, and the efforts by some to move us in to a world economy, with control over the products we buy, the products we make, the products we consume, and that is accomplished by rules promulgated by an international organization.
No, They do not see that attack on the World Trade Center as an attack on America; rather they see it as an attack on an organization that they consider an enemy of our United States of America.
That leaves us with the only other attack of the day. A plane crashed into the Pentagon, with loss of life and severe damage to an icon of the United States. However, we must consider whether the Pentagon really is the United States or a symbol of American military might?
True, there were Americans in all three buildings, but they were not the target, any more than women and children are the target when we bomb buildings in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Well, should we consider that an attack on America? Or, should we look further and see if, perhaps, it was an attack on a singular aspect of America, which is symbolic of other than American ideals?
In 1996, Osama bin Laden wrote that certain people and their allies were shedding "Muslims blood [which] became the cheapest and their wealth as loot in the hands of the enemies". He continues, "Their blood was spilled in Palestine and Iraq. The horrifying pictures of the massacre of Qana, in Lebanon are still fresh in our memory. Massacres in Tajakestan, Burma, Cashmere, Assam, Philippine, Fatani, Ogadin, Somalia, Erithria, Chechnia and in Bosnia Herzegovina took place, massacres that send shivers in the body and shake the conscience. All of this and the world watch and hear, and not only didn"t respond to these atrocities, but also with a clear conspiracy between the USA and its allies and under the cover of the iniquitous United Nations, the dispossessed people were even prevented from obtaining arms to defend themselves."
Therefore, it appears that they perceive the actions of the United States and its allies as other than what the press has told us.
He goes on to explain why the war cannot be fought in the Middle East. "An internal war is a great mistake, no matter what reasons are there for it. the presence of the occupier the USA forces will control the outcome of the battle for the benefit of the international Kufr."
As he makes clear in the document, the enemy is the American forces and the Secretary of Defense, who directs those forces. I think that this could best be interpreted as the United States government, especially, the United States military, as the perceived enemies of Islam. In fact, the document that I have quoted from is titled, "DECLARATION OF WAR AGAINST THE AMERICANS OCCUPYING THE LAND OF THE TWO HOLY PLACES"
What Osama did was declare war on the Americans Occupying the Lands of the Two Holy Places. He did not declare war on the American people; instead, he declared war on the government, or at least that part that was the direct source of the problems that he enumerated in the Declaration. If he had declared war on the United States, or the people of the United States, I think that he could have found far more damaging targets than World Trade Center and the Pentagon. He chose, instead, symbolic targets that represented what he saw as the source of the thousands of deaths of men, women, and children in the Middle East.
Now, is it possible that the United States government was not aware of this document, which was written on August 23, 1996, which was purported to have had copies delivered to them, and was truly surprised when "the United States" was attacked on September 11, 2001?
The entire Declaration of War can be found at: http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/opf980830.htm
So, perhaps we should be questioning the mainstream media as to why they paint the picture the way that they do when available facts indicate that the picture they paint is false.
Gary Hunt
September 11, 2009
All morning long, I have been hearing that we are recognizing "The Day That America Was Attacked".
Have you ever really thought about what the mainstream media has portrayed to us? Was America really attacked? Or, is there another objective that should be apparent to us?
Well, you could say America was attacked when Flight 93 hit the ground near Shanksville, Pennsylvania. However, that was not the intended target. And, due to circumstances, we will probably never know what the intended target was.
We all know that two of the targets were Towers 1 and 2 of the World Trade Center. Probably most of us have some serious objection to the United Nations. We probably also have objection to the WTO (World Trade Organization). In fact, there are many who consider both the United Nations and the World Trade Organizations as enemies to the United States Constitution, and our way of life.
So, what is the World Trade Center? Is it a symbol of the United States of America, or is it something that we should perceive in a light similar to the World Trade Organization, and the United Nations?
How would we react if the target had been the United Nations Building? Would we be as outraged as we appear to be over the World Trade Center? On the other hand, would the more apparent nature of the intentions of the United Nations dissuade us from feeling as badly as we do over the World Trade Center?
Some see the World Trade Center as a symbol of the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, and the efforts by some to move us in to a world economy, with control over the products we buy, the products we make, the products we consume, and that is accomplished by rules promulgated by an international organization.
No, They do not see that attack on the World Trade Center as an attack on America; rather they see it as an attack on an organization that they consider an enemy of our United States of America.
That leaves us with the only other attack of the day. A plane crashed into the Pentagon, with loss of life and severe damage to an icon of the United States. However, we must consider whether the Pentagon really is the United States or a symbol of American military might?
True, there were Americans in all three buildings, but they were not the target, any more than women and children are the target when we bomb buildings in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Well, should we consider that an attack on America? Or, should we look further and see if, perhaps, it was an attack on a singular aspect of America, which is symbolic of other than American ideals?
In 1996, Osama bin Laden wrote that certain people and their allies were shedding "Muslims blood [which] became the cheapest and their wealth as loot in the hands of the enemies". He continues, "Their blood was spilled in Palestine and Iraq. The horrifying pictures of the massacre of Qana, in Lebanon are still fresh in our memory. Massacres in Tajakestan, Burma, Cashmere, Assam, Philippine, Fatani, Ogadin, Somalia, Erithria, Chechnia and in Bosnia Herzegovina took place, massacres that send shivers in the body and shake the conscience. All of this and the world watch and hear, and not only didn"t respond to these atrocities, but also with a clear conspiracy between the USA and its allies and under the cover of the iniquitous United Nations, the dispossessed people were even prevented from obtaining arms to defend themselves."
Therefore, it appears that they perceive the actions of the United States and its allies as other than what the press has told us.
He goes on to explain why the war cannot be fought in the Middle East. "An internal war is a great mistake, no matter what reasons are there for it. the presence of the occupier the USA forces will control the outcome of the battle for the benefit of the international Kufr."
As he makes clear in the document, the enemy is the American forces and the Secretary of Defense, who directs those forces. I think that this could best be interpreted as the United States government, especially, the United States military, as the perceived enemies of Islam. In fact, the document that I have quoted from is titled, "DECLARATION OF WAR AGAINST THE AMERICANS OCCUPYING THE LAND OF THE TWO HOLY PLACES"
What Osama did was declare war on the Americans Occupying the Lands of the Two Holy Places. He did not declare war on the American people; instead, he declared war on the government, or at least that part that was the direct source of the problems that he enumerated in the Declaration. If he had declared war on the United States, or the people of the United States, I think that he could have found far more damaging targets than World Trade Center and the Pentagon. He chose, instead, symbolic targets that represented what he saw as the source of the thousands of deaths of men, women, and children in the Middle East.
Now, is it possible that the United States government was not aware of this document, which was written on August 23, 1996, which was purported to have had copies delivered to them, and was truly surprised when "the United States" was attacked on September 11, 2001?
The entire Declaration of War can be found at: http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/opf980830.htm
So, perhaps we should be questioning the mainstream media as to why they paint the picture the way that they do when available facts indicate that the picture they paint is false.
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Hans Wilhelm on -
One thing about it gary WE THE CONSERVITIVES did not vote for the embecile and we can thank the leftist turds for doing that. Tony can you even call it a valid administration or is a dictatorship a more appropriate title??
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Permalink Reply by Gary Hunt on -
So, which bailout is it that you object to?
Which war in Afghanistan do you object to?
Which extension of patriot act authority do you object to?
and, the list goes on.
Can you be a conservative and not agree with the Bush policies?
Have you ever noticed the similarities of the two parties?
Have you noticed that neither party seems to have read the Constitution?
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Permalink Reply by MJ Mosier on -
Whoa! Buy into radical philosophy if you must but I beg to differ that Vietnam was in vain. I have had the opportunity to meet many Vietnamese women who work very hard in the nail beauty industry. They love our country and are very grateful for what we did for them in Vietnam. I have heard horror stories about what happened to their families after we pulled out and they are not bitter. They still love us. Most work 7 days a week to save up to get others out so they can come here and become Americans. I helped one young lady learn history so she could pass her citizenship test. She was so proud to become a citizen. So be proud of our country for trying to help. No life given to defend liberty is EVER in vain.
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Permalink Reply by Gary Hunt on
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M. J.,
Boy, I'm sure glad to know that those 58,000 dead, many of them friends, gave their lives so that Vietnamese woman can come to the United States and "do nails". Unfortunately, we can't ask them. But, I'm sure, from those that I know, that their families would not feel the same us you do.
You said, "No life given to defend liberty is EVER in vain." How do you come to such a conclusion, or is it just a warm, fuzzy feeling? And, what liberty were those 58,000 defending?
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Permalink Reply by MJ Mosier on
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My point is they are "willing" to work hard to become part of our country. They are good people who are grateful for your service and the service of those who died. We tried to help them. Hindsight is 20/20 and perhaps we shouldn't have been there, but we were and I refuse to believe that it was for absolutely nothing. Defending liberty anywhere is defending liberty everywhere. I came to the conclusion from life experience and learning to forgive.
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Permalink Reply by Humble Infidel - Twana on -
It's time to wack the troll....
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Permalink Reply by Gary Hunt on
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Infidel,
You, who have removed all of your previous posts on this subject (for whatever reason you wish to ascribe it to) have the audacity to continue to suggest that I am a troll?
I can stand behind what I say, and I can provide citations that support what I say. I don't blather and run.
If you want to whack, find a nice corner and have at it.
Allow us to continue our discussion without your presence.
Thank you!
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Permalink Reply by roy (pete) burton on -
the available fact is simple the attack was against buildings people and institutions on u.s. soil where peace and safety are ours to provide just as we do for dignitaries of other countries whether we agree with them or not
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Permalink Reply by Gary Hunt on
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Right!
And, isn't that just a reversal of what we had been doing in other countries?
Chinese Embassy, Passenger train, truck factory, Hospital, aspirin factory, etc.
We can do it, and expect nothing in retaliation?. If they do it, we justify going to war with a country that will not extradite (no treaty for extradition) and a country that had nothing to do with it.
I agree that we are the best country in the world, at least within our country (but that is slipping fast). I don't agree that we can dictate to other countries, and that is what ahs gotten us in this mess.
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Permalink Reply by Madison_Jade on -
The US has come to the aid of citizens in countries where the people were crying out for help. It is part of what we have always done.
In Vietnam men were drafted to fight, they had two options; they could fight a losing battle or they could do as a lot of anti war protestors did and run to Canada. Many soldiers died needlessly. We were fighting a battle that strategically we were out not capable of fighting. I never supported the war in Vietnam HOWEVER I never went against or spoke against a single soldier serving...
The US was in Lebanon as a UN Peacekeepers that was a huge mistake and many soldiers died as a result. But we were not there trying to take over a county but to help people who were in need. The barracks was bombed and instead of doing what should have been done then...they pulled the troops out and in turn the strength of those we are fighting today grew. Had that incident been handled properly perhaps we wouldn’t be where we are today.
Wars will always be fought the question is will it be on US soil or will we take it to them.
I think discussion whether or not the WTC was an attack on the people of the US or the government is really a bit absurd. As I understand it whether or not we like the government it still remains the government is still the people of the US we put those people into office and like it or not we are responsible for them being there. So therefore still an attack on US soil is an attack on the government as well as an attack on the people here.
I think those who lost their lives in the WTC that day would be quite insulted to say the least that their lives were not worth taking action for. All 2752 of them as well as their families and the subsequent deaths resulting from various things they have died from since. I lost a loved one long after the attacks from a disease he contracted while helping to rescue people that horrible day. Men and women are dying frequently from these diseases. Are their lives not worth it either?
Believe what you wish but remember these people didn’t have the chance to be a martyr they were murdered and murdered on American soil! They didn’t get to watch their children grow up, that baby that was on its way and lost his father, families who lost people in their sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, aunts and uncles…and you want to discuss semantics???
Whether the letters or journals or whatever it is you say that OBL wrote if you choose to believe that no one can fault you but did it ever occur to you that perhaps it was to create the very doubt you discuss here?
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Permalink Reply by Gary Hunt on
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What Osama bin Ladin wrote what was written five years before the World Trade Center was attacked. He made copies available to the US government and the press.
First, it should have been (and, apparently was intended to be) a warning to us about what to expect. The government, however, chose to keep that a secret from us.
Second, it was quite a bit of foresight on bin Ladin's side to lay that groundwork that long before an event, if it was just to create a discussion such as this. But, maybe that was the intention! Unfortunately, the conversation came after an event that could, quite possibly, have been avoided.
Third, at least bin Ladin did what our Constitution requires of the Congress, but the Congress has failed to do. A declaration of War is required by the Constitution (Article I, Section 8, clause 11).
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Permalink Reply by Steve Lee on -
Gary- You raise some interesting arguments in your opening post, but there is no way to define the American 9-11 victims as not being the targets for the attack.
That is still true today as the Muslim agents of Bin Laden are still, Click Underlined Link:
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